A Big Sur, Apple ha deciso di esentare molte delle sue app dall'instradamento attraverso i framework che ora richiedono l'utilizzo di firewall di terze parti (LuLu, Little Snitch, ecc.) Again: my point just is, there is no “danger” in machine learning that isn’t already there. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 26154 on r2-app-0b81876d836457515 at 2021-04-01 07:40:49.498425+00:00 running a975903 country code: IN. [–]Joe6974 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago (0 children). and load some kind of data you care about into them. If you'd like to view their content together, click here. Apple Push Notification Service (APNS) keeps a stateful connection open - and if a VPN is launched - this is probably the reason it is bypassing. I'm not too concerned about malware. If Apple apps can do it, then I guess there's a way for any app to do it. I own some PowerPC Macs Running OS9, Leopard, and Tiger that I connect to the internet as well as a couple old Intel and AMD beige boxes running XP and Vista. The question is; if you go into airplane mode. Write CSS OR LESS and hit save. Just calling said APIs doesn’t necessarily mean you can utilize such functionality unless they have a privilege escalation bug. ML has like 0 privacy ramifications that aren’t already there. If that's the case then my feelings about it are a lot more nuanced. For a while (not sure if it's still the case) Apple made it nearly impossible for third-parties to replace graphic cards in the laptops -- for no damn good reason. No memes, direct images or contextless image/video posts. That support is what prevents a clean break and there’s so much legacy stuff creating up and creating issues here and there. Browse and Purchase Indy Books Online at Lulu. Lulu for Mac 2.3.1. I don’t know why Apple would subvert this when vpns are allowed on most of their devices right now. These belong in the beta subreddits listed below. [–]HeartyBeast[S] -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago (0 children). This however, needs to be solved at an OS level -- the OS should ask the user how aggressively it should try and stay with the VPN or to keep a connection. I think that reality is rather more complex than his views allow. That's all. I mean what you’re describing is literally pattern recognition though lol. Anything that weakens the security of my system, that gives an amoral megacorp a backdoor into my system. All I use macOS for is to browse the internet and play some old games. [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 5 months ago (0 children), [–]tojikomori 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago (6 children). Let's say that someone manages to get the required keys from Apple, then they have suddenly have a backdoor around every userland firewall. A partire da macOS Catalina rilasciato lo scorso anno, Apple ha aggiunto un elenco di 50 app e processi specifici per Apple che dovevano essere esentati da firewall come Little Snitch e Lulu. You get the same result. The public release of Little Snitch 5 is less than 2 weeks away, and the currently available beta is pretty well fleshed out at this point. Beautiful and Detailed! Hopefully VPN apps get updated to include it specially OpenVPN Connect and WireGuard. [–]arribayarriba 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago (1 child), Application level secure DNS should still so the connection occurring, it shouldn’t allow it to completely bypass the VPN or monitoring software, [–]roflfalafel 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago (0 children). The value of a system with a coherent and usable interface layer, which can be used with a minimum of fiddling and hand-holding, is not to be underestimated. ... With macOS Big Sur we are finding that Apple is heavily moving to monetize "services" and are moving to take more control away from the user. Una possibilità è che Apple abbia implementato la mossa per ridurre il numero di richieste di supporto che riceve e migliorare l'esperienza del Mac per le persone non istruite nella creazione di regole firewall efficaci. I've been using linux for 25 years, and indeed have made an entire career out of doing so. However hackers and malware writers don't care about Apple Developer Accounts. Lo script Python non ha avuto problemi a raggiungere un server di comando e controllo che ha impostato per simulare uno comunemente usato dal malware per esfiltrare dati sensibili. Self-promotion is allowed on Sundays only, strictly reserved for app developers and must be in the form of a self-post. LuLu is the free, shared-source macOS firewall that aims to block unknown outgoing connections, unless explicitly approved by the user. I have a feeling the confusion is coming from the way macOS / iOS implements state for connections. And I never found one with the functionality of Spaces. Apple ha recentemente apportato una modifica importante a macOS che vanifica questi sforzi. Pretty sure what your seeing is the fix. Mac. Don't see why not. This has to be a GUARANTEED and user controlled option. I’m not sure what your beef is and why you are so confrontational on this thread but the link you sent is exactly what I mentioned: a type of privilege escalation vulnerability. [–]MRizkBV 35 points36 points37 points 5 months ago (12 children). [–]willywalloo 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago (4 children). E poiché il traffico proveniva dall'elemento attendibile, non sarebbe mai stato instradato attraverso il firewall … il che significa che il firewall è cieco al 100% ". [+]MRizkBV comment score below threshold-43 points-42 points-41 points 5 months ago (4 children). these requests are probably using a new API that LittleSnitch and others aren't [yet] aware of. I like having more control -- but the days of jailbreaking so you could put some notice on a screen -- that's a headache and most of us are probably glad we don't need to mess with it. After upgrading my macOS to Big Sur (v11.2), I noticed that my LuLu rules list disappeared. I know because I have tried and monitored my device before. Hmm wonder if they'll be able to bypass a pihole. Don’t have Big Sur to test, but what about PF (Packet Filter)? Leave off of personal attacks, please, they're neither useful nor relevant. But what does that have to do with this topic? Again this is less about privacy and more about monetizing services... IMO, [–]dangil 11 points12 points13 points 5 months ago (8 children), you will have to pry High Sierra from my cold dead hands, [–]nukelauncher95 6 points7 points8 points 5 months ago* (7 children). https://protonvpn.com/blog/apple-ios-vulnerability-disclosure/. Why are you so quick to give the benefit of the doubt to a megacorp that would sell you out in a minute if it found it to be more profitable to do so? What's new in Lulu. Non è insolito che i firewall esentino il proprio traffico. In Big Sur Apple decided to exempt many of its apps from being routed thru the frameworks they now require 3rd-party firewalls to use (LuLu, ... Mac users were unable to execute code or open programs because they would fail the OCSP check with Apple servers. This subreddit is not endorsed or sponsored by Apple Inc. and join one of thousands of communities. Consider the distinction between google or facebook, which make money by invading their users' privacy, and apple, which makes money by protecting their users' privacy. If you turn your phone to airplane mode, apparently it should put everything in VPN when turned back on. I understand the motivation to disallow kernel extensions, but leaving Apple software exempt from kernel hardening goes against the grain of hardening the kernel, so yes, it does weaken the security of the system. Close. The newest, modern look of macOS! [–]redjfkldje 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago (0 children), [–]Blainezab 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago (0 children). [–]3andahalfacres -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago (2 children). The probable reason they implemented it the way it is, could be that they believe push notifications are important and they do not want it to be interrupted if the VPN connection stalls or just because they believe a VPN is something used for enterprise and not to maintain privacy. If you don’t want that stuff then just use Linux really. I'll ask again, are you new to Apple's history of private API's? Let's say that someone manages to get the required keys from Apple, then they have suddenly have a backdoor around every userland firewall. disabling default rules, creating explicit rules to block, enabling 'deny mode'), Apple's App Store appears to be exempt ...the firewalls never even see its traffic, and thus cannot block!? [–]HeartyBeast[S] 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago (0 children). MacApple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur (twitter.com), [–]I_DONT_LIE_MUCH 239 points240 points241 points 5 months ago (18 children). Instead of properly securing their privileged apps, Apple is instead is creating a 2nd set of rules that just bypass the existing rules and give these set of apps free roam, which given enough time will be abused for malicious use. No spam. And, of course, any of the newly released Apple Silicon models, MacBook Air with M1, MacBook Pro with M1, Mac mini with M1 will come with Big Sur as the default installation. [+]3andahalfacres comment score below threshold-21 points-20 points-19 points 5 months ago (13 children), Are you new to Apple? Everyone One user in the thread is saying iOS has bypassed VPN's for a long time. Big Sur on M1 (and possibly on Intel) maintains a persistent, hardware-serial-number linked TLS connection to Apple (for APNS, just like on iOS) at all times when you are logged in, even if you don’t use iCloud, App Store, iMessage, or FaceTime, and have … It could be the way connection state is saved. In my case the problem was caused by the firewall Lulu that I had installed some time ago. There is too much complexity for most people to actually control every step of the process -- so it's a trade off. I honestly see no reason to upgrade. [–]Radoasted 15 points16 points17 points 5 months ago (0 children), [–][deleted] 53 points54 points55 points 5 months ago (34 children). Apple adds two brand new Siri voices and will no longer default to a female voice in latest iOS, Apple will use Tesla’s ‘megapack’ batteries at its California solar farm, Apple's First 13-Inch MacBook Pro With Retina Display Now Classified as 'Obsolete', Microsoft Shuts Down Cortana App for iOS and Android Today, PSA: Affinity apps (Photo/Designer/Publisher) are now 50 % off, Over a third of App Store reviews considered fake, About recalibration of battery health reporting in iOS 14.5, Apple backs start-up aiming to disrupt music labels. Sure the example is a little dramatic but the sentiment/concern is there, [–]CaptainAwesome8 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago (7 children). This kind of feature is likely guarded via special privileges. It's treating the VPN connection like a "session" like you might open an anonymous browser window. I hate the sneaky connections, so I would switch to Linux for the next laptop. Let's be clear that nothing about this is weakening the security of the system. Apple has private API's and gives their own apps a leg up to non-Apple apps, https://rambo.codes/posts/2019-01-11-hacking-with-private-apis-on-ipad, [–]HeartyBeast[S] 28 points29 points30 points 5 months ago (12 children), I assume that Apple will be giving their own apps privileged access through private/undocumented APIs, [–]AdvancedFeeling 7 points8 points9 points 5 months ago (0 children). It looks like they just meant to reply to the same comment that you did. [–]KrushDaSoS 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago* (1 child). This has been true for decades longer than "apple services" have been a thing. They also do on iOS for a very long time now so I doubt that’s a bug. i think VPN's are jokes nowadays, used to be secure, but they know how to get around them and find you no matter what. And when last I looked--which admittedly has been a long time--linux was rather bereft of good MUAs. No editorialized link titles (use the original article’s title if applicable). [+]3andahalfacres comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 5 months ago (4 children), This private feature was guarded too and here's a security disclosure of abuse of private features privy only to Apple's apps, https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/disclosure2.html, [–]y-c-c 14 points15 points16 points 5 months ago (3 children). I am happy to read they introduced an option for those who care in iOS 14 though. E sarebbe gentilmente d'accordo. Publishers of fiction, religion, textbooks, children's books, ebooks and more. I think it’s a little unreasonable to expect all system apps to not have special privileges, especially apps that can install other apps. [–]IveNeverHadScrapple 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago (0 children), [–]calmelb[] -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 months ago (4 children), Curious what’s the point in getting a Mac if you’re going to block all the apple features. ),” he … Windows still supports 32 but robustly. Now, that Big Sur is out of beta, the installation process was simplified and I’ve decided to create a new tutorial instead of editing the old one, to avoid any confusion. [–]kadupse 44 points45 points46 points 5 months ago (3 children). Tipi di prodotto. But you don’t have to at all. Un gran numero di persone attente alla sicurezza o alla privacy li usano anche per filtrare o reindirizzare il traffico in entrata e in uscita dai loro computer. What we're witnessing is private API's that give Apple apps extra privileges and sooner or later malware writers will use these API's to abuse. And on the other side, the freeness of Free software is sometimes more theoretical than actual. [–]MRizkBV 26 points27 points28 points 5 months ago (10 children), Apple does bypass the tunnel even when connected for its push notification services and a few others. Read on to find out how. [–]Aemony 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago (0 children). Le configurazioni errate del firewall sono spesso la fonte del software che non funziona correttamente. [–]lexbi 0 points1 point2 points 5 months ago (0 children), I think PFs are still able to block based on other replies on the HN thread on this story, [–]TODO_getLife 35 points36 points37 points 5 months ago (19 children). Apple potrebbe applicare la stessa logica. The actual developer of this free Mac … That has pretty well always been Apple's approach: we are moving forward, you are welcome to stay behind but we will no longer support you. i.e. I did read it and I know that the airplane fix sometimes work, not always. [–]m0rogfar 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago (1 child). Shop online at Lulu today. Having said that -- I'm always going to find a way to make my desktop OS install the apps I want and to jailbreak it. [–]onan 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago (2 children). Connect to VPN and then come back out -- will connections drift? When a new VPN tunnel device is created and a local route starts using it, iOS does not kill all traffic that was established prior to the tunnel. Really not a fan of where this is all heading. Apple says it does, that it pulls this move proves that it's lying. I’m fine waiting, [–]pooshoe -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 months ago (0 children), [–]onan -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 months ago (0 children). Nel frattempo, le persone che vogliono ignorare questa nuova esenzione dovranno trovare alternative. Previously, Apple didn't support vp9, the video codec Google uses for 4K video - but it … Il cambiamento è arrivato quando Apple ha ritirato le estensioni del kernel macOS, che gli sviluppatori di software hanno utilizzato per far interagire le app direttamente con il sistema operativo. Ha impostato Lulu e Little Snitch per bloccare tutto il traffico in uscita su un Mac con Big Sur e quindi ha eseguito un piccolo script di programmazione in cui il codice di exploit interagiva con una delle app esentate da Apple. That's assuming that you wholly trust Apple. let's not jump into wholly inapplicable hysterics about backdoors and such. We. For power users who install tools like LittleSnitch it's certainly a blow, but for many others it's a layer of protection from MITM snoops. This is still the status quo but there might be some users among you who just don’t want to pay for yet another firewall for your Mac. I wonder if this is a result of them trying to overcome this. In particular, if you actually read your own link, you would know that code signature is still enforced which means you can’t just write a random app and pretends to be an Apple app to the OS. Rendered by PID 26154 on r2-app-0b81876d836457515 at 2021-04-01 07:40:49.498425+00:00 running a975903 country code: IN. If suddenly machine learning was banned (lmao) then they’d just do it a different way. So that’s...not machine learning then. Luckily most corporate VPN services supports an exception to be made by the VPN service administrators, which usually gets exposed as an optional setting users can toggle. Nothing about this changes that either way. The bug lies more on the fact that they don’t check the app’s resources. Libro con copertina rigida o morbida in un'ampia gamma di opzioni relative a carta, colore e rilegatura. I just place a lot of value into the ecosystem as a useful tool, and if I can’t use iMessage, etc then windows or Linux are both alternatives I would use, [–]onan 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago* (0 children). With macOS Big Sur we are finding that Apple is heavily moving to monetize "services" and are moving to take more control away from the user. Version 2.3.1: Therefore there’s no real difference. They have the largest market share in the world. Anything that weakens the security of my system, that gives an amoral megacorp a backdoor into my system is to be viewed with the highest suspicion. and apple, which makes money by protecting their users' privacy. A developer beta is available now, public beta in July, with the general release in the fall. [–]onan 16 points17 points18 points 5 months ago (14 children), Not sure how I feel about this. [–]onan 2 points3 points4 points 5 months ago (7 children). I don't think this post is stupid at all. This move has less to do with user privacy and more to do with protecting ad-tracking and data collection of apps. No posts that aren’t directly related to Apple or the Apple eco-system. Other than they their MO is well established. Al posto degli NKE, Apple ha introdotto un nuovo framework in modalità utente chiamato Network Extension Framework. L'esenzione priva di documenti, che non ha avuto effetto fino a quando i firewall non sono stati riscritti per implementare le modifiche a Big Sur, è venuta alla luce per la prima volta in ottobre. [+]MRizkBV comment score below threshold-25 points-24 points-23 points 5 months ago (2 children), It is though and there are several articles about it from reputable VPN providers. It sounds like a bug. It happened to me on Big Sur on a 2016 MacBook Pro with touchbar just now (two years later than the post). Because while they are saying "let me handle this" there are also those that do want to take the control away from the user. That means that we certainly cannot trust them in the same way that we would trust a person, but it also means that there can be situations in which corporations' and users' interests align. I guess there's a way for any app to do it. They know what a VPN is. macOS Big Sur was announced on June 22nd at Apple's WWDC Developer Conference. Apple deve ancora spiegare il motivo del cambiamento. [–]Fake_William_Shatner 13 points14 points15 points 5 months ago (2 children). It is too bad - the Mac hit this sweet-spot where it was pretty much my perfect machine for several years - a kickass Unix workstation in a decently built laptop, with a decent GUI, with access to consumer apps, too. Apple removes criticised whitelist in macOS Big Sur 11.2. Using a tool like Little Snitch is a convenience. This evades normal network firewalls that organizations may put in place, as 443 is required to be open outbound to browse the web, but would still be tracked in the network state table on a local firewall. Event submissions must be a comment in the weekly stickied megathread, or will be removed. Check out this user-maintained wiki or ask in our dedicated sister sub /r/AppleWhatShouldIBuy! My less secure stuff is on its own VLAN so the modern stuff I care about should still be protected. Not that I'm ever blocking Apple apps from anything anyway, but it feels like one of those things that is moving macOS toward iOS in the bad way. Follow this app Developer website. The only difference between DNS and the new "secure DNS" is the port number (443 instead of 53) and transport protocol (now HTTPS). [–]bobaizlyfe -1 points0 points1 point 5 months ago (3 children). Well, see, that then allows the VPN service/solution to give the user the control that OF COURSE they want. Stallman is certainly not entirely wrong, but his views might be slightly too simplistic to call entirely right. And at the end, it says to mitigate the issue, connect to the VPN, go to airplane mode, then turn off airplane mode and it will reset all connections. Was really a slap? Description: Hello, After downloading SQL Workbench and running it on my MAC with BIG SUR OS I'm getting the following bug. If a connection works, none of the apps should care what they are going through -- until they don't connect, then there is probably some aggressiveness to make the connection. ... (iMessage, Photos, Music, Find My Mac, etc.) [–]dangil 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago (1 child), the only real reason is the toolchain... XCode support, and modern apps that will require a modern toolchain, also, old CPUs with vulnerable microcode that intel wont support anymore are left out in the cold, [–]nukelauncher95 4 points5 points6 points 5 months ago (0 children). No content related to piracy or illegal activities. “In Big Sur Apple decided to exempt many of its apps from being routed thru the frameworks they now require 3rd-party firewalls to use (LuLu, Little Snitch, etc. Uninstalling Lulu removed the problem. Enjoy the biggest Safari update ever. And, for the record, that is exactly the same situation as with any software provider, whether corporate or not, open source or closed. In fact they already have abused Apple's private API's in the past: https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/disclosure2.html, [–]QWERTYroch 8 points9 points10 points 5 months ago (0 children). Closing out the user ALSO sometimes means containing the third party app. Not that I'm ever blocking Apple apps from anything anyway. That risk is significantly contained by the fact that their current business model of doing exactly the opposite of that is working out very well for them. So now I can’t block the app signing checker that relays your app info to Apple, wtf. The program is categorized as Security Tools. [–]lexbi 3 points4 points5 points 5 months ago (0 children). You're aware that over the last year or so it's become apparent that using private APIs is likely to get your Apple Developer Account terminated? this user-maintained wiki for helpful tips, Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur. I Nascosti per quanto Riguarda i Fatti di Razze di Cani... Quello che non Sapete Su di Cammello nel Deserto. You made this comment multiple times, but it simply isn’t true. Sure, you can use a neural net or some other machine learning for it. None of which require, like, icloud storage or apple fingerprinting my binaries or any of the other cruft that they seem to want to offer me these days. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. [–]oscarmendonca 5 points6 points7 points 5 months ago (0 children). They cannot be trusted. This fundamental difference in audience is why we support two communities, r/Apple and r/AppleHelp. Big Sur is here! Il nuovo grande aggiornamento del sistema operativo porta con se importanti cambiamenti, il vostro Mac è ancora supportato? In particolare, avverte che "gli strumenti di sicurezza essenziali come i firewall sono inefficaci" in base alla modifica. A more in-depth version of the rules can be found here. The risk does exist that at some point in the future apple might decide that it's more profitable to invade my privacy. L'esenzione priva di documenti, che non ha avuto effetto fino a quando i firewall non sono stati riscritti per implementare le modifiche a Big Sur, è venuta alla luce per la prima volta in ottobre. [+]dnkndnts comment score below threshold-21 points-20 points-19 points 5 months ago (3 children). This has been the case for a long time. LuLu! Seems like that should solve the problem. Obviously that’s bad but it’s a different thing from private APIs, and it should definitely be fixed by Apple. Contact the developer for more information." Un'altra possibilità è affidarsi a PF, o firewall Packet Filter integrato in macOS. [–]Fake_William_Shatner 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago (1 child). https://protonvpn.com/blog/apple-ios-vulnerability-disclosure/, [–]Wooloomooloo2 35 points36 points37 points 5 months ago (1 child). What you’re literally saying is either computers are dangerous (which...sure?) It’s all math dude. [+]MRizkBV comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 5 months ago (5 children). [–]EponymousHoward 1 point2 points3 points 5 months ago (0 children). So a bunch of apple apps potentially will bypass a VPN too? No support questions outside of the Daily Tech Support sticky. This software needs to be updated. Maybe it isn't malicious now, but there's nothing to prevent future malicious behavior once the backdoor is there. Full details and usage instructions can be found here. It was great while it lasted. But does it matter when it’s all done on device? The only reason apple is worth the price is because of the features they combine in with macOS, [–]onan 10 points11 points12 points 5 months ago (2 children).
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